# The Bush is Burning — ApeFest green rooms, IP permission slips, and a hot seat in Bali

**Host:** Burningbush (@BurningBush_eth) · **Date:** Sat Oct 17 / early Sun Oct 18, 2026 · **Duration:** 2:53:07 · ~13 speakers

## TL;DR
- A small, loose Saturday room ("everyone's gone to Ape Fest or sulking because they're not at Ape Fest") that turned into the most substantive IP-permission conversation the group has had.
- Burningbush explained the post that blew up his DMs: ~24 messages, at least seven people asking to put his IP in games, three who'd already built with it. His line — show me the game first, don't surprise me with it, and if there's money in it, talk about money.
- Moon took the other side of it thoughtfully, Wizard1sgv backed it from 16+ years of running a game studio, and Lyss closed the loop near the end: ask first, and that includes De Stefano's.
- Showman joined from the Ape Fest green room (rider ignored, Keurig instead of vodka), debuted his first new PFP in five years, and roasted Monk's PFP on request.
- Jed, calling in from Vegas, gave a genuinely useful breakdown of token sinks, the Anvil swap mechanic, and why he personally doesn't stake.
- Several AI songs were generated live, including "Jitterbug Jed," a Vegas Mobb Deep pastiche, and a closing EDM anthem. Pons Health got one in the hot seat and immediately asked for a copy.

## Highlights

**[07:37] Showman phones in from the Ape Fest green room.** He's opening for Offset ("I thought offset would have opened up for me"), the room is tiny, and catering has failed him: "They got my writer wrong... I asked for a bottle of vodka. They all they have is a... Keurig machine in here." Burningbush supplied circus music as green-room ambience.

**[09:45] The first PFP change in five years.** Showman upgraded to a 3D version of himself made in ChatGPT — noting he doesn't actually own the NFT anymore. This escalated into a plan to relaunch the whole project, until he admitted he'd already burned through his ChatGPT subscription. The running joke of the night was born: Showman as the new founder of 3D Mories.

**[28:19] Sho reports back from a high school lip-sync musical.** Dragged there by her husband to support a patient's kid, she delivered a review that oscillated between "it was so bad" and a sincere "there's a place for everybody," all while audibly grinning. Burningbush: "So not only the show bully adults, but she also bullies children." Margie B later requested High School Musical be played in her honor.

**[35:38] The IP conversation starts.** Moon asked straight out what Burningbush's post was about. The answer: 48 hours of DMs from people building with his IP, some of whom had already shipped screenshots. His core argument — owning the NFT means owning the IP rights, and he'd had to sit down with Jed *and* Jed's dad before he could use the De Stefano's name in anything, because that's a real family business that predates Web3 and will outlast it [38:38].

**[44:46] Moon makes the counter-case, and it lands well.** His scenario: what if you build something in a test phase specifically to impress someone you admire, with their IP as a placeholder? Burningbush's reply became the practical takeaway of the night — use a generic placeholder, and if you're trying to impress someone, "then I'm the first person that sees it" [49:53]. Both repeatedly stressed it wasn't directed at each other. Wizard1sgv added studio-side scar tissue: someone copy-pasted his game's store description verbatim, studio credit and all [41:11].

**[1:23:04] Jed on why tokens die.** A clear, unhyped explanation: most Web3 tokens launch with no sinks, so holders either sit or dump. Sinks (games, merch, utility) are coming in ~30 days. He walked through the Anvil mechanic — buy a floor regen, swap into any of the ~150 in the vault for about three dollars — and why he doesn't stake his own: more staked means a lower APR for everyone else.

**[1:27:29] "It's called fucking respect."** Jed's answer to people saying he glazes Burningbush too much — six weeks in the community and shipping at a pace he says he hasn't seen from blue-chip teams. Minutes later he was also the guy reporting that the Kowski canvas on the site looked crooked.

**[1:31:24] Monk comes up specifically to be roasted.** Showman went first — Avatar 4 casting, then "wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man" — and Burningbush followed with an extended interrogation of why the eyeball is on the helmet. Monk took it, said thanks, and left for his movie.

**[1:41:21] Live site surgery with a click heatmap.** Burningbush swapped the arcade and jukebox neon signs mid-space, defending it with data: 16 clicks on the jukebox ever, versus ~980 on the play button in the top right. Jed and Moon QA'd it in real time; chapter two of Regen Noir had gone live earlier that day with ~72 reads.

**[2:10:46] The hot seat with Pons Health.** Kyle, 30, Canadian, living in Bali six months on a work permit, building a health app. Thirty seconds, no fluff — "the quickest hot seat, and one of the better ones." He'd mentioned disliking AI slop minutes earlier, so Burningbush generated him a smooth-rock track called "By the Book" [2:18:06]. Verdict: "if it wasn't like super super early right now, I'd be fucking running to that, bro."

**[2:26:22] A weekly comedy space, finally on the table.** Burningbush pitched the long-discussed Showman collab — a Web3 Kill Tony, X-only. Showman's reply after a beat of silence: "A comedy space is well overdue around here, I think."

**[2:41:38] Lyss closes the IP loop.** Asked directly by Moon for her take, she restated it plainly: check in with people, show the game, and extend the same courtesy to De Stefano's — "not only respect, but as we grow, you know, legally, it is going to matter."

## Topic timeline

| Time | Topic |
|---|---|
| [00:07]–[06:00] | Tylenol, DaFameless gaming, TCG packs, general warm-up |
| [06:24]–[16:44] | Showman live from the Ape Fest green room; PFP change; circus/trading-bot bits |
| [16:47]–[19:57] | Wizard1sgv on inspiration from spaces; LinkedIn run by AI |
| [21:21]–[27:51] | Stand-up tangent: Kill Tony, Casey Rocket, Joe List, Doug Stanhope |
| [28:00]–[33:07] | Sho's lip-sync musical review; Showman considering doxxing |
| [33:19]–[52:57] | The main IP conversation: Burningbush, Moon, Wizard1sgv, Showman |
| [53:27]–[1:10:40] | Walter T Quirk gets kerfuffled; Margie B; Lord arrives; Fuzzy Felons post-mortem |
| [1:10:40]–[1:19:13] | Vegas check-in, impressions, Mories floor watch |
| [1:20:01]–[1:30:06] | Regen Noir pass giveaways, Anvil, rebucks, staking APR, token sinks |
| [1:31:03]–[1:34:38] | PFP roast session — Monk |
| [1:35:13]–[1:45:49] | Pokemon-card kids, Vegas logistics, live website updates |
| [1:46:35]–[2:05:32] | Showman gets humanized; "Jitterbug Jed" |
| [2:10:11]–[2:26:00] | Pons Health hot seat and custom song; Bali life |
| [2:26:22]–[2:40:00] | Comedy-space pitch; Vegas departure tracks |
| [2:40:41]–[2:53:07] | Lyss on IP; closing EDM anthem; goodbyes |

## Notable quotes

- "Yeah, they got my writer wrong... I asked for a bottle of vodka. They all they have is a... Keurig machine in here." — Showman, from the Ape Fest green room [08:31]
- "That's the whole point of being in this space and owning NFTs, is that we own the IP rights to it." — Burningbush [37:39]
- "And I'm not a gatekeeper... If you want to use my IP to shit on a toilet or whatever it is, pal, go ahead, pal." — Showman [40:37]
- "It's not it's not glazing. It's called fucking respect." — Jed [1:27:29]
- "Monk, you look like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man, pal." — Showman [1:33:10]
- "If you haven't been called on, like if no one's ever called the cops on you, then you're not a real New York couple." — Lyss, on the distinction between fighting and conversing [2:00:28]

## Who said what

- **Burningbush (@BurningBush_eth)** — host. Ran the music, the roasts and the hot seat; spent most of the night explaining why he wants eyes on any project using his IP before it exists, and shipped a live website change mid-conversation.
- **SHOWMAN (@SHOWMANMORIE)** — unofficial co-host from an Ape Fest green room. New 3D PFP, no NFT, no vodka, maximum permissionlessness: he wishes *more* people used his IP (voice excepted — that one costs money).
- **Moon (@AfRedwave)** — pressed the IP question openly and argued the builder's case (heat-of-the-moment prototypes, admiration as motive), while agreeing nothing ships without blessings. Also could not find the arcade on the website.
- **Jed** — calling in from Vegas; the night's clearest technical voice on token sinks, Anvil swaps and staking APR, plus the night's most sincere speech about what Burningbush has shipped in six weeks.
- **Lyss (@Lysss302)** — Vegas co-correspondent and closer: ask permission, show the work, and that includes De Stefano's. Also hustled three kids down from $20 to $8 on Pokemon singles as a business lesson.
- **Wizard1sgv (@wizard1sgv)** — game-studio co-owner of nearly 17 years; brought real-world IP-theft experience and the night's best fast-food takes.
- **Sho (@AgogoKaren)** — delivered the lip-sync musical field report; six regens, all staked, thank you very much.
- **Pons Health / Kyle (@PonsHealth)** — new face, aced the 30-second hot seat, building a fitness app from Bali, left with a custom song.
- **Monk (@_monkish_)** — came up purely to be roasted, achieved it, left.
- **L o r d (@LoRdCrXpToSaNtO)** — Modelos deep, got a Don Omar track and an art commission request from Showman.
- **Margie B (@MargieAponte2)** — song dedications and a direct request to be roasted.
- **DaFameless (@DaFameless)** — early co-pilot on the banter before calling it a night.
- **Walter T Quirk (@WalterTQuirk)** — arrived, got kerfuffled, dropped, returned, remained kerfuffled.

## Worth a full listen

- **[35:38]–[52:57]** — The IP conversation in full. It's the rare version of this debate where nobody's performing: Burningbush's reasoning about placeholders and keeping track of "where all my kids are," Moon's admiration-as-motive hypothetical, and Wizard1sgv's copy-paste horror story. A summary flattens the back-and-forth that makes it useful.
- **[1:31:24]–[1:34:38]** — The Monk roast, including Showman's post-game self-critique of a fumbled Avatar bit. Comedy in and comedy about, in about three minutes.
- **[2:02:55]–[2:05:32]** — "Jitterbug Jed," an AI song about a man with a big-button phone who keeps dropping out of spaces and who white-knuckled a flight to Vegas. Jed's own reaction afterward: "I think today I outshine this for the first time ever."