Re:Building Together EP 275 — Building With AI

Host: CEELOS (@CEELOSFIGG), with co-hosts ValerieKates & Baked · Tue, 28 Jul 2026 · 1:03:23 · ~8 speakers

TL;DR

• CEELOS framed the whole hour around one idea: AI is moving from talking to acting, and once agents can act, they need wallets, identity, permissions, and payment rails — which is where Web3 gets interesting.
• Two news beats anchored the first half: Franklin Templeton's take that agentic commerce could hit $3–5T by 2030 (and needs machine-to-machine micropayments), and BNB Chain building agent-specific infrastructure.
• The back half turned into a hands-on builder show-and-tell: Baked coding games in base44, Sean trading tooling tips (Olama, open code, Unity MCP), Chaz running a full Hermes/Blender/Unreal pipeline, and Gary rebuilding his portfolio site with Codec.
• Chaz previewed Builder Bots — a 333-piece agentic-NFT collection launching on Robinhood chain (~Aug 9), where each NFT is its own working agent, with physical Raspberry Pi companions for the 1/1s.
• Recurring theme: don't gatekeep the tools — teaching your community to build with AI is community-building.

Highlights

[4:54] CEELOS sets the thesis. Not "I used AI to make an NFT" — the bigger question is what happens when AI can own things, run wallets, negotiate, and become an economic participant. "We're moving from AI that talks into AI that acts. And once AI can act, it needs infrastructure."

[10:23] Is AI finally crypto's killer use case? CEELOS walked through Franklin Templeton's argument: agents take actions, actions cost money, and traditional card rails aren't built for millions of sub-cent machine payments. He flagged protocols like X402 (software paying software) and the $3–5T agentic-commerce estimate for 2030.

[16:02] "The buyer of tomorrow might not be human." CEELOS argued the real opportunity is the rails, not the token — programmable settlement, machine identity, permissions, auditability — and that stablecoins likely beat volatile assets for autonomous agents.

[17:28] BNB building for machines. On BNB's agent studio and planned AI-agent chain (100k+ TPS, sub-50ms confirmation), CEELOS pushed past the vanity metric: "faster for what?" What matters is whether an agent can identify itself, prove what it's allowed to do, be spend-capped, and be shut down.

[29:21] Baked's accidental dev journey. What started as casually playing with his NFTs turned into coding games through AI; he's now building in base44 (with games for a couple of communities) and Unity — "quite a bit of stuff I've learned in the past six months."

[30:40] Sean's tooling clinic. Sean, who's picked up a technical co-founder and uses AI mainly for front-end/wireframes, walked Baked through cutting credit burn: Olama + open code over pay-twice app stacks, and "slap in a Unity MCP" so the model builds straight into the engine. His verdict on Kimmy vs Claude: "pretty much on the same benchmarks right now."

[34:40] Chaz's full pipeline. Chaz demoed Hermes (from Nous Research), running Nvidia's Nemotron locally for free, and a Comfy UI → Tripo → Blender → Unreal bridge saved as a reusable "skill." He also has his MacBook and PC syncing conversations every 30 minutes so he can hop machines mid-build — "which is really hard to do usually." His line landed: after three years of grinding, he learned more 3D in three months than in the prior five years.

[41:42] Gary let the model do the work. Gary rebuilt his portfolio site and added a game via Codec/Soul 5.6, then handed Blender a GLB of his avatar and a scene description. "I didn't even open Blender... I just gave it the problem, and away it went." (He's honest that the six-second animation wasn't good — but the concept was halfway there.)

[44:04] Builder Bots. Chaz's big reveal: cousins of his 2023 LittleBots, reimagined as 333 agentic NFTs (via DRC contracts) with collaborators Yogi and Crypto Nova. Each bot is its own agent that can run socials, trade, or manage a wallet; 1/1s ship with a physical Raspberry Pi companion. Launching on Robinhood chain specifically to onboard normies.

[59:05] The sign-offs. Sean's parting wisdom: "token max as much as possible — more tokens equal more intelligence." Solo dolo closed in full YouTuber character: "What is going on, YouTube? It's your boy Solo Dolo back with another banger."

Topic timeline

Notable quotes

• "We're moving from AI that talks into AI that acts. And once AI can act, it needs infrastructure." — CEELOS [4:54]
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• "The buyer of tomorrow might not be human." — CEELOS [16:02]
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• "I've been trying to learn this shit for like three years and I literally learned more in the last three months than I've learned the last five years total about 3D." — Chaz [36:22]
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• "I didn't even open Blender, that's the crazy shit. Like I just gave it the problem. And away it went." — Gary [43:39]
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• "Token max as much as possible. More tokens equal more intelligence." — Sean [59:05]
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• "What is going on, YouTube? It's your boy Solo Dolo back with another banger." — Solo dolo [59:42]
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Who said what

• CEELOS (@CEELOSFIGG, host) — Drove the central thesis that AI agents will become economic actors and that Web3's real value is the rails, not the token; ran the news segment.
• Baked (@Bakedmetax co-host)^* — Shared his path from playing with NFTs to coding games in base44/Unity, and teased upcoming video edits with CEELOS.
• ValerieKates (@valeriekates_ co-host)^* — Framed agents as a natural next step for L2 ecosystems and got most excited about passive-income use cases.
• Sean (@0xKoms)^* — The room's technical voice: front-end AI workflows and pointed cost-cutting tooling advice (Olama, open code, Unity MCP).
• Chaz (chazzgold.eth, @chazz_gold)^* — Artist running a deep local-AI pipeline (Hermes, Blender→Unreal) and launching the Builder Bots agentic-NFT project.
• itsgary.eth (@itsGary_eth)^* — Rebuilt his portfolio site and added a game/animation using Codec and Soul 5.6, largely hands-off.
• Solo dolo (@solodolo)^* — Casual AI creator (stickers), provided the comic bookends.

Worth a full listen

• [30:00]–[40:00] — The Sean/Chaz tooling exchange is the practical core of the episode: real recommendations on cutting credit burn, MCPs, local models, and cross-machine setups that a summary can only skim.
• [44:04]–[56:00] — Chaz explaining Builder Bots end to end (agentic NFTs, whitelist thinking, Robinhood chain, physical companions) is the most concrete "building with AI" example of the hour.

* some voices are identified from context; those names are marked as likely.