# Grateful Show #492 — Chairs, Gliders, and a 20-Million-Square-Foot Space Shuttle

**Host:** Grateful Ape (@Gratefulape), with co-hosts Art (@ArtFrogling) and proofOfalphadgn (@the_alpha_dgn) · Thu Oct 29 2026 · 2:35:10 · ~14 active speakers

## TL;DR
- Grateful Ape is back from a break, running an hour earlier for the European time change, and fueled by a self-reported ten coffees.
- **ShoBiz** revealed a freshly acquired BAYC — cheetah fur, smoking jacket, 3D glasses, orange background — closed via escrow with Lost's help, as an early birthday gift to himself [5:51].
- **KingPickle** gave the clearest walkthrough yet of **Mutual Fun**: seats, the TMF token, five funds, enrolling, merging, board-member traits, and the quarterly continuation votes. First voting window opened the next day; OTC trading tool shipping before Sunday [21:45]–[53:52].
- **CryptoC0wboy** publicly stepped into the founder seat at **Night Gliders**, starting from zero treasury and rebuilding around community, avatars, game days and an Onvault conversation [1:05:49].
- **ngbshpend.eth** covered Ape Chain infra (new Ape Scan, the Rolodex) plus the Mudwater pack→box→case combination flow and the 20%-royalty APE buyback reflections — and gave away a pack live in the comments [56:39].
- **Jay B** demoed what Mars Cats has been quietly building: *Leo*, a walkable, AI-prompt-editable space shuttle roughly 20 million square feet, already taking community feedback reports and a warm-up for "Project R" [1:32:53].

## Highlights

**[5:51] ShoBiz lands the ape.** He'd been hunting an OG for months — "it took a while to get an OG that I really vibed with" — and chose the cheetah over a spacesuit alternative partly because the other owner wasn't reachable on X. The deal was supposed to close while he was on a Welcome Wednesday Space; he fell asleep at 2am and woke up to it done. The room spent the next two and a half hours alternately congratulating him and relitigating the orange-vs-aquamarine background question.

**[13:07] Showbiz declines to rip Alpha Degen's box.** Having accidentally ended up holding Alpha Degen's Mudwater bag from Ape Fest, he floated ripping both boxes, then immediately took it back: "His bag is his bag, my bag is my bag." Grateful Ape's offer to give the box away on-Space was not accepted.

**[23:15] KingPickle explains Mutual Fun from the top.** NFT seats on Robinhood chain, an ERC-20 (TMF), and five funds assigned by seat background. You spend TMF to enroll a seat into a fund, which starts a slow drip and buys you voting weight on how that fund allocates into deep-liquidity ERC-20s, RWAs and stocks. He was blunt about the pace: no $100 weekly paychecks, "a slow, very slow, small drip," with the real upside in building funds up over quarters.

**[27:00] No upgrades after enrollment — but there is merging.** You can't pay the difference to upgrade an enrolled seat (unenroll/re-enroll generates fees that flow back to the funds and rewards early committers), but two seats enrolled at the same level in the same fund can be **merged**: one NFT burns, the other gets a corner office, upgraded art, boosted voting weight and a bump up a class. He also opened a door for anyone who jumped the gun: open a ticket in the lounge and the team will look at it [28:44].

**[30:14] Board member seats, and why they're pricier.** Roughly 1 in 20 seats is a board member, and those are the only seats that can propose adding a new token or stock to a fund's registry. Total supply started at 4,001 and is already shrinking via merges. Supply of board seats per fund is uneven by random reveal — one fund has about 29.

**[47:19] "Set it and forget it."** ShoBiz asked the question a lot of multi-community collectors needed: does inactivity burn you, the way he lost a Stonk Brokers reserve while on vacation? Pickle's answer: voting is only about how the fund spends, nobody votes anyone out, and an enrolled seat left alone keeps all benefits including dissolution payouts. Art followed up with the companion warning [50:46] — transferring a seat anywhere, even to yourself, unenrolls it.

**[56:39] Ape Chain + Mudwater state of play, via NGB.** New Ape Scan, the Ape Chain Rolodex for builders (rolodex.apechain.com, sign in with glyph), and the digital combination flow: 24 packs → booster box, 10 boxes → a golden case. Hard caps of 10,000 boxes and 1,000 cases across digital and physical, and loose packs split from a box carry that in their metadata and can't be recombined. 20% of royalties buy back APE for reflections, scaling pack < box < case. His favorite part was the builders swarming around it — "it's just bringing me back to when the Web3 space was fun" [59:31].

**[1:05:49] CryptoC0wboy takes the Night Gliders seat.** He walked through the decision candidly: he'd been an Other Side ambassador running Sunday games, watched things go quiet, had a conversation with his mentor, and decided the community wasn't getting rugged on his watch. Current state is honest — no treasury, trainer avatars need cleanup, promises from the old site will be audited rather than inherited. Art's advice landed cleanly [1:21:41], and Jay B [1:23:08] and LLCubKing [1:26:01] both offered support and DMs, with Jay B inviting him to the Boar Builders Club meetup the next day at 3pm ET.

**[1:33:30] Jay B unveils Leo.** Mars Cats built a size-accurate shuttle — what would it actually take to move 10,000 cats to Mars — and then made it walkable on marscatsvoyage.com. The twist: holders with an invite code get a feedback button, and you just *say what you want*. "People have made games in like one sentence" [1:41:32]; there's an arcade on the 17th floor with leaderboards, a Mudwater arena room, elevators that work, and ~140 community feedback reports in the first week and a day. Glyph/MML integration is in progress with Directive Creator, the whole ship is built for avatars up to two meters, and they're considering going fully automated for a week to see what breaks.

**[1:53:23] Bring your agents.** Asked whether bots can roam the ship, Jay B said he does it constantly — he had GPT Astra walk Leo on a separate machine, generate images, and submit feedback that Opus reviewed and shipped. "We love agents too, we're not against them."

**[2:08:05] The Grok-powered raffle.** Grateful Ape handed the Mudwater pack giveaway to Grok live, narrating its progress ("paging through all replies, almost ready to draw") and then promptly mispronouncing the winner's name — Terenccio — to immediate correction from the stage.

**[2:22:41] Art's closing announcement.** Froglings' Mudwater activation game has art booster packs created by TJ, Stella and Tarot Dome, mintable on-chain. Full game next week; practice mode is live now so you can climb the leaderboard early.

## Topic timeline

| Time | Topic |
|---|---|
| [1:48] – [5:51] | Intro, soundboard chaos, Mudwater pack/box/case combos |
| [5:51] – [19:33] | ShoBiz's new BAYC, Ape Fest Charleston recap, shoutouts |
| [19:33] – [21:45] | CryptoC0wboy welcomed on; photographer shoutouts |
| [21:45] – [39:02] | KingPickle on Mutual Fun: seats, TMF, funds, enrolling, merging, board seats |
| [39:02] – [42:16] | Ape Church poker, Mudwater pack buy-ins, Solana crossover tournaments (KOKO) |
| [42:59] – [53:52] | Makaveli's endorsement, set-and-forget mechanics, OTC tool, call to action |
| [56:39] – [1:03:18] | Ape Chain infra + Mudwater distro waves, APE reflections, othergames.xyz rips |
| [1:04:17] – [1:05:49] | Comedy clips, Mud Wipes, general derailment |
| [1:05:49] – [1:29:43] | Night Gliders: CryptoC0wboy's takeover, plans, founder-to-founder support |
| [1:29:43] – [1:45:14] | Mars Cats: Leo the shuttle, AI build workflow, Project R, Other Side/MML integration |
| [1:45:14] – [2:00:18] | Falsetto bit takes over the Space |
| [2:00:18] – [2:13:18] | Dupes & stage shoutouts, Mars Cats game time, Grok picks the pack winner |
| [2:13:18] – [2:35:10] | Full-send banter, Froglings game announcement, ShoBiz birthday show set for Tuesday |

## Notable quotes

- "His bag is his bag, my bag is my bag, and uh I'm not touching that." — ShoBiz, on the box he's holding for Alpha Degen [13:20]
- "You're not gonna get $100 paychecks, you know, every week, you know, in your dividends. It's a slow, very slow, small drip. But the idea is that everybody works together to build up the funds as big as they possibly can." — KingPickle [25:23]
- "We're not monsters, we're here to take care of our community." — KingPickle, on early enrollers who want to upgrade [28:44]
- "I'm like, well, you're not uh taking my gliders away from me. You know, nice, nice try though." — CryptoC0wboy [1:07:00]
- "You don't need to live up to his promises, you make your own promises." — Art, founder to founder [1:21:41]
- "It's like just say what you want to see, right? Like you literally just say it. You don't have to be very detailed about it. Uh people have made games in like one sentence." — Jay B on building inside Leo [1:41:32]

## Who said what

- **Grateful Ape (@Gratefulape)** — host, back after a break, running the clock an hour early for the EU time change, operating a soundboard with no apparent safety catch and interviewing three project leads between bits.
- **KingPickle (@Kingpickle)** — Mutual Fun. Gave the full mechanics tour, repeatedly set expectations downward on short-term yield and upward on long-term fund-building, and offered a support ticket path for anyone who enrolled before reading the manual.
- **CryptoC0wboy (@CryptoC0wboy)** — new owner/founder of Night Gliders. Open about starting from scratch with no treasury, focused on community, avatar cleanup, Other Side game days and an Onvault conversation; declined to pre-promise anything.
- **Jay B (@JayBClassics)** — Mars Cats Voyage. Presented Leo, the AI-editable shuttle, the workflow behind it, the planned cabin hierarchy, and an open invitation for other projects to drop browser games into the ship. Also offered support and a Boar Builders Club slot to CryptoC0wboy.
- **ngbshpend.eth (@NGBxShpend)** — Ape Chain and Mudwater update: Ape Scan, Rolodex, distro waves across 55+ Ape Chain collections, reflections mechanics; funded the live pack giveaway before leaving to "aura farm" on calls.
- **ShoBiz (@Eddie_ShoBiz)** — the day's celebrant. New BAYC, Ape Fest Charleston recap, volunteer shoutouts, and the practical question about passive participation that half the room needed answered.
- **Art (@ArtFrogling)** — co-host, chief instigator, and the one who got the transfer-unenrolls-you warning on record; closed with the Froglings Mudwater game + artist credits.
- **KOKO (@Bayc364)** — Ape Church poker: Mudwater-pack buy-in tournaments, the Gimbal-holder Sunday freeroll, and plans to bring Solana communities into the mix. Also a bad beat story involving ace-nine and the river.
- **Makaveli (@MakaveliDlaCruz)** — championed Mutual Fun as a real on-chain experiment and pushed the free mudwater.gg tournament and the othergames.xyz prediction rips.
- **proofOfalphadgn (@the_alpha_dgn)** — co-host; commentary, falsetto escalation, and a sincere "if this ain't art imitating life" tribute to ShoBiz's new ape [2:01:32].
- **LLCubKing (@LLCubKing)**\* — offered CryptoC0wboy open DMs and said he'd pick up a glider.
- **APESister Grace (@0xXiaoXiong)** — asked the practical newcomer questions about the 24-hour rip stream and where Ape Chain pack distributions get announced.
- **Dupes (@acdupes)** — late arrival, congratulated ShoBiz, and provided the running commentary on how much of this was being recorded.
- **Crypto Cam (@its_Crypto_Cam)** — flagged that glyph delegation issues with pack claiming should be smoothed out in about a week [11:04].

## Worth a full listen

- **[23:15] – [37:52]** — KingPickle's uninterrupted explanation of Mutual Fun. Enrollment, merging, board-member utility, the Anvil AMM, supply math, and the quarterly continuation vote (plus the one annual vote that reverses the default and dissolves the fund if nobody shows up). Too much interlocking mechanics to compress safely.
- **[1:05:49] – [1:22:15]** — CryptoC0wboy's account of taking over Night Gliders, including the gap where X dropped him mid-sentence. The tone — no treasury, no inherited roadmap, no promises, just "those that know me know that I am here" — is the point, and it doesn't survive paraphrase.
- **[1:33:30] – [1:45:14]** — Jay B on Leo. The scale details, the before/after ship log, the 3,000 places to sit, the agent-driven feedback loop, and the plan to let the AI run unsupervised for a week and roll back if it's "completely fucked up." Genuinely novel territory described in real time.
- **[1:45:14] onward** — fair warning: the last fifty minutes are the room discovering a falsetto soundboard voice and never putting it down. Orange vs aquamarine escalates into shrimp cocktails, tomato bisque, and a tribute song consisting mostly of the word "orange." Enter at your own risk.

\* Some voices are identified from context; those names are marked as likely.